I need to be taught. And no, it doesn't bother me in the slightest that you get to buy your overpriced vegan lactose free latte and fair clothing and spend many many Euros here. I don't need to engage with you at all except maybe if you want to spend a ton of money, maybe then I will, and you don't need to engage with me. There are still plenty of actually cool locations where you are not and PLENTY of super cool people from abroad that are actually worth speaking to and making space for and showing stuff that is dear to me.
Lisa Glauer more than 1 year ago. Considering that tourists are the ones who pay the bills in berlin good luck finding a Berliner who actually has a job we can speak whatever language we want. Ken more than 1 year ago. Considering that Berliners also pay the bills in Berlin they have lives too there is no excuse for not learning German. I don't think it is too much to ask that they should at least be able to take an order in German. Keine Ahnung more than 1 year ago. If you were an expat in a foreign land, you would quickly find that English is used as a universal means of communication, and most German expats are thankful and take advantage of their above average ability at English when they are away from home.
The editor is revealing her envious undertones, which is typical of some aggressive Germans in Berlin: K, Espaniol, US, and Francais did. Other expect the same from you when they visit your nation. Don't be so bitter. Ace more than 1 year ago. Walter more than 1 year ago. They're not exactly providing an important service that will impact your health and life quality long term. It's an Australian restaurant in a international European capital.
We expats work hard to learn your language when we plan to stay here long term. These guys might have been hwre for a short term stay to learn more about Germany. Sour people like you give us expats the impression that germans are arrogant, uptight and unsympathetic. Why should we plan to stay here long term if this is the impression we get from the people here. It is obvious that you embellished your story a bit to fit your xenophobic bias.
Just chill and enjoy your dining experience. You're not getting a surgery or getting tour taxes filled. Instead of harshly criticising, you and other Germans should encourage expats with a bit warmth and empathy to learn German. We don't want the German cold pragmatic and conformist general bias confirmed by people like you. Does the author's name look at the slightest bit German to you? She's made it clear she's a native English speaker. I'm not fluent but I can certainly hold a conversation without major problems. My only problem is that all of my German friends would rather speak English to me than German!
I don't understand it. I'm actually moving to Berlin in a week's time and I'm hoping more Germans will be a lot more open to actually helping me with learning their wonderful language. Sophie more than 1 year ago. If you socialize outside the usual expat districts, people will definitely speak German with you.
Flurry more than 1 year ago. Come to Richmond, BC Canada. Lots of restaurants where people don't speak English. Food is pretty tasty though. Mykill more than 1 year ago. I thought Germany was meant to be the Capital of Europe, well educated German people in a country that has supposedly nothing to export but intelligence. German people seriously need to get with programme and have some understanding for other nationalities and their language abilities. I'm from South Africa, which is a third world country, and in school we learn 3 languages. How would it be for a German speaking person when the only language a South African would speak with you is either Afrikaans or Xhosa, and refuse to.
It's narrow minded and stupid, its no wonder German people are seen as stiff and unfriendly. Saffa more than 1 year ago. Apperently loose and friendly is only enough for you to be a third-world country. Stiff and unfirendly does the trick! Noah more than 1 year ago. Spanish only became added just to appease the Hispanic population. This reduces the impetus to assimilate into the local Anglophone American culture and learn the official language, English. I'm just saying we do not want Germany making this same mistake: Have been living in Austria for 2 years I cannot even say my name in German.
German is simply too complex for my brain. I am mother tongue in Italian and French. Cristian more than 1 year ago. Why does no one have to speak English in canada. What happened to my considerate polite country? Can our immigration policy be so bad that we have lost our heritage of an undefind policy of the open door? Is it coming to the point that Donald Trump is credible? I do say I am sorry a lot.. May a little over accomidating.. I prefer good and kind but I am not getting the same consideration in return.
I try to understand other languages.. I am laughed at and no one will tell me what they are saying about me. I like my kind culture that is disapearing. Vallerye Cookson more than 2 years ago. I notice that a lot of the comments about German reactions to English-speakers' attempts to speak German are angry or hostile, whereas I've found the switch to English seems usually motivated out of friendliness the Germans I have spoken German to in Australia have always loved it, why wouldn't the same people assume we would appreciate the reverse?
Very often all it takes is persisting in speaking German and people will switch back. Admittedly, that also probably has to do with my German being more than basic. For those who are at an earlier level, I'd recommend being patient both with yourself and those you're speaking to. Speaking a second language, especially at the early stages, is usually uncomfortable if not outright embarrassing or intimidating, because as a social species we're wired to communicate for survival and we're used to being able to communicate effortlessly in our first language.
So before jumping to the conclusion that someone has switched to English because they're showing off, or think your German is appalling or are simply being an arsehole, remember that you might also be feeling defensive or embarrassed I know I do. Also, the German you are speaking to is quite possibly also feeling uncomfortable like humans do generally, when communication is even a little difficult and that may be why they've switched to English.
Not switching to English might be, for them, like trying not to shout when you're straining to have a conversation in a noisy room. My experience is that, if you have patience with yourself and with the person you're speaking to, you'll get less flustered and so feel more able to persist in speaking German, even if you're answered in English. You may end up having a conversation where, ironically, you are each speaking your second language to the other, but you still get to practice your spoken German and find out if you are comprehensible, and you can always practice your conversational comprehension by eavesdropping in public.
Lastly, you should be able to tell, when someone answers you in English, whether they understood your German or not. If you find they're not or, as some people feel, they're "pretending" they don't when you feel your German is pretty good by now, check your accent and your intonation with a native German-speaking friend or teacher. These are the things especially intonation - ie syllable stress, the "melody" of the language that most commonly get in the way of a second language speaker being comprehended, and are the hardest things for the speaker to detect in themselves.
As a native English speaker I was always of the opinion that we were lazy and didn't try. Well that was until my wife and I moved to Germany with her job in I've had three years learning German and without being big headed I'm pretty good, but as soon as someone notices they try and shift the conversation to English. Well if you like it so fucking much quit your job in Rewe and fuck off and work in Tesco!!!
Christian more than 2 years ago. Speak in a language that is most comfortable for both speakers. Do not make it unnecessarily difficult for others by demanding they speak your native language if one clearly does not have a good command of your language. This is the 21st century already. There is no more excuse for nationalist ideologies. When communicating, the most important thing is that one understands the other, not what language one speaks. Vincent more than 2 years ago.
I think if you're in a bar in your own country and can't order a drink because the staff don't speak the language of the country they live in that's not right. When people have different native languages it - that is, real life - it isn't that simple. It is imperialistic and a forma of imposing a privilege to force people to speak your language while in their country. This is the 21st century. One should respect their country's culture and language.
Filipe more than 1 year ago. Thanks Robert, I'll give that one a try. I'm pissed off with being answered in English when I speak to people in German. I've also tried the 'sorry-I-don't-speak-English' angle with some success. David more than 2 years ago. Slobodan more than 2 years ago. In you could get around quite fine without any serious knowledge of the German language. This is the second time I am reading your article. I read it a year ago when i came to Berlin and now a year later after passing a B2 exam in German and living here for a year I am not treated any better: To tell you the truth i was searching for a reason why we respect germans so much in most of the foreign countries i lived in and why you radicals treat foreigners like shit in your country Since i live here i was attacked twice by nazis.
And please don't insult me for my spelling errors, english is also not my first language! Jana more than 2 years ago. I don't care about your spelling. It's the underlying message that counts. The attitudes in one part of Germany e. Munich will be different from the attitudes of another e.
The question is, do the German tourists who you respect make any effort to speak the languages of those countries? It's one thing to ask a foreigner to learn the host's language. Also ich muss zugeben Deutsch ist nicht die einfachste Sprache das ist wahr. Und an die, die irgendetwas mit Nazis geschrieben haben. Die Zeit ist vorbei kapiert? Und warum ich das hier auf Deutsch schreibe? Chris more than 2 years ago. You realize this article is in English right? When you come to the uk or Spain during holidays and don't speak a word are you treated the same way?
Sylviw more than 2 years ago. Thanks for your wise ass comments. I would speak English in one sentence, fluent German the second, just to totally be annoying and confuse you. Wuensche dabei einen guten tag. Stuff that in your bag of goodies. Madison more than 1 year ago.
An important part of learning a language is using it day-to-day. Sadly as soon as a beginner shows signs of weakness in their attempts to speak German, most Berliners will revert immediately to English. This is no good at all. I enjoy going to the bank or Apotheke because they less often do this - they will meet you in the middle, simplify and slow down their speech and be understanding in trying to understand what you are saying.
This is fantastic and exactly what is needed. It is also what people do in other cities, where they don't speak much English. There are a few reasons for this I guess, two spring to mind. First, Germans sometimes want to practise their English - which is cool, but don't do it then complain that Anglophones are not learning German! Second, impatient staff at bars and shops seems to have customer service low own on their priorities, and just want to get customers out of the way as quickly as possible. I guess when there's a queue of people that's fair, but if there's time then persist with the German and help integrate people more, then do it!
And perhaps drop the crappy attitude toward non-German speakers. Perhaps aggression and animosity encourage some people to learn, but I'd guess gentle encouragement and support would help more. Ben more than 2 years ago. I think being constantly answered in English because you have a foreign accent or are making lots of mistakes can be frustrating, especially when you are already quite good at the language.
However, there are a few things you can do about this. For example if you ask for, say, directions in German and the reply comes back in English, just repeat back to the person what they just said in German 'for confirmation'. Quite often though, the person is showing off or just using you to practice their English. Then you repeat what you just said in German.
In a bar or restaurant if you order in German and the barman speaks back to you in English, keep talking back in German. If they persist make it more difficult for them by saying something like 'You wouldn't happen to be able to see your way to getting us another one, could you? Obviously, if you do this you have to keep a totally innocent-looking face on you at all times so that it doesn't look deliberate.
Rainer more than 2 years ago. My latest joke is really happening. Ive run the Marathon and been given another lie why a German landlord wont rent to me. Its a surreal situation being passed over for a 15 year white brat that has no job and pays no tax. For what reason should we learn German for the none industry or the racism?.
The only way i can live here will if i rent off an xpat. I applaud you for pointing this out. As someone who had lived in germany but over 30 years ago, I work very hard at my German just in case I get to come back! If I wanted that, I'd just stay here. Lisa from California more than 3 years ago. Wolf more than 3 years ago. Meiner meinung nach jemand kann ein bisschen Deutsch lernen. Tom more than 2 years ago. I am living in Cologne and don't speak a word of German - well I can get my stuff in kiosk or in rewe..
Cologne was probably a wrong choice!! Well, be honest - German is not that attractive language and I am not staying that long, so I rather learn languages I need for my career I already can speak three. But if Germany only to Berlin next time! Bora more than 3 years ago. They expect me to know it perfectly before i can even go there cause I they wanna check it on the phone doggone nazis at it again V8 more than 3 years ago. Since when is it the natives' fault that you can't speak their language? I think this mindset you're showing is the same one the author is complaining about in this editorial.
Ergo, you have to adapt to their cultural norms. The concept is simple, but the actual process is not for the faint-of-heart. We try understanding expats who are new in the uk, there is no excuse or justification for behaving rude to anyone who can't speak the local language, maybe if they are regulars at a store and for more then three months but behaving rude as described here is another example of racism in germany, Germans do not speak a word of Spanish in Mallorca when they get pissed at a hotel or beach, sorry but the whole immigration subject is probably propaganda to relieve their behavior towards foreigners, especially European expats who they resent for stopping their slave camps during the war.
Mia Rafael more than 2 years ago. The slave camps are meanimgless here. Today's Germans have nothing to do with the war. Josep more than 1 year ago. We English-speakers can set an example for them. I've heard of Britons not learning the language either, but that doesn't make the German tourists you bumped into any less guilty, especially since Merkel has opened up the German borders to let in millions of Muslims who refuse to speak German and assimilate.
This open-borders policy is a sham. It's all over now. German is not an official language in Germany. You can look in consitution and you'll be very disappointed. So fuck all moralities. Laughter more than 3 years ago. I really enjoy this article. Maybe you were trying to be direct, but it sounds a little bit snobish. Sorry, my english is not really good. The moral of your fable is right. But maybe because this website is called ex berliner, it sounds like a sad and long story in the german winter weather!
Frank Gaviria more than 3 years ago. Me and my wife had a vacation in Greece. On a lonely beach we met a german couple. I tried to speak German to them, which i'd been trying to study for many years, albeit without success. They ansewered me in English ALL the time. When i offered them to go on a tour together to some greek town they just fled away saying they had no time.
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I wasn't sure if this was just me or not but like other commentators here, I used to live in different countries in my life. In May this year I moved to Germany. I was happy that I would finally master German and live in Europe again. This is the end of August and I'm sick and tired. I do not even complaint that I cannot find job here, is it more about how Germans of course not all treat immigrants. When I learnt Japanese in Japan, I was eager to speak as soon as I started to learn, they were very supportive!
Same with English, Ukrainian etc. I hate it when somebody calls me, again I struggle in German, pointing out that I'm learning and still bad in German, they simply don't care, no slower speaking, no simple German use, instead again and again and again I hear "you are in Germany, you should speak German". I'm learning your language, I'm trying hard as hell, but at the end of the day I'm always compared to some lazy ignorants who according to Germans I guess I didn't hoped they would all speak perfect English, but to be more supportive.
Hate to bring the Polish-German topic here, but when they come to Poland, they don't even use polish names for our cities but german, and they speak absolutely NO polish. Moreover, they expect everybody to speak German, since those lands used to be theirs during the war. However nobody makes a big deal out of it, as nobody wants to evoke some unnecessary discussions about the past. Lena more than 3 years ago. Yip the article gets it right.
Just try, nobody expects you to be fluent or perfect. A few words in German can break the ice, and it IS very much appreciated if you do. You will end up living in your little parallel cosmos imagining yourself part of the nouveau vogue. Douglas more than 3 years ago. This is new experience to see the whole Immigrant community done over by the Germans.
Berlin is throwing away the whole city. Might aswel learn Russian the Billionaires will take the whole lot next. Dare the media write about all this. The joy of renting in Berlin. Us dumb immigrants no one can speak English and when you ask what is the name on the buzzer they dont know there own name. I hope this doesnt happen to Germans its funny but slightly annoying. Every time someone is whining about expats, it's always centered on the crappy rude and uncultured American.
Even though I can count the number of Brits who speak another language on one hand, and no Aussies that do, you have decided to take the one arrogant American and glorify his idiocy. Perhaps you should also mention the lack of Aussies anywhere, I mean anywhere, that speak anything other than English. There are many people who are learning German; in Munich, you have to. Foreigners like Berlin's international feel that doesn't require German. I have lived in 7 countries in the last 15 years and studied 5 languages, but I will tell you, the Germans are the LEAST supportive of your efforts to speak German at all.
They simple chuck, relishing in your feeble babbling and confusion with genetiv or dativ, etc. They just tell you how hard it is, laugh at your mistakes, and remind you how impossible it is. They are so critical of everyone and everything and do nothing to actually encourage you to learn or continue. I can see how it would be annoying that you were in an Australian restaurant if you love Germany so much, why not eat German food and really participate culturally?
They are doing their best, and many of them don't even speak English and are really struggling to learn German. So, perhaps your rant is a bit unfair. Also, German is difficult, and not everyone is able to pick it up as quickly as you; you don't need to treat everyone like an idiot. Kathrine more than 3 years ago. Nearly two thirds of all native English speakers are American, so therefore it of course follows that most boorish mono-lingual English speakers are American.
But Katherine I think your contention is also correct, that Americans in Germany are more likely to speak good German that citizens of the other English speaking countries. But this I cannot back up with statistics, it is just a personal observation.
Mario more than 3 years ago. I hope the , illegals flooding Germany can speak German. The Germans may get annoyed! Colorado Bill more than 3 years ago. I am a native Dutchie, but spent a big part of my high school years in the US. There I haven't learnt a word of German. As I am a currently studying in Germany, I am struggling with the language.
You think you get a lot of criticism as a native English speaker, as a Dutch person I get even more negative comments for not speaking the language. It is true that our languages have similarities although Dutch grammar is so much simpler, who made up the whole einer, einem, einen rule?! But even when I am trying my best to speak German, I get laughed at for my poor pronunciation and my grammar mistakes. Normally, I want to learn the language of the country I live in as fast as possible, but here in Germany I barely make an effort anymore. The arrogance is disgusting, when I just arrived people just refused to talk to me if I asked if they spoke English to take care of administrative tasks for my stay Foreign office, city hall in general, student admissions office.
Conversational German is one thing, getting administration done filling in really complicated German forms is another. At least get someone there to speak English. My experience in the doctor's office was similar. None of the people at the desk could speak a word of English in Bremen, not a small town or anything. We actually drove over the border to Holland to get treatment, cause I lost all faith when the doctor just stubbornly continued in German with an occasional English word thrown in.
I don't demand German people to speak Dutch in Holland. Most German students I met who were studying fulltime in Holland could barely put together a sentence, never mind pronouncing it the correct way. And we don't scoff or laugh at you when you try the Dutch language, we are actually flattered when people want to learn and try to help them as much as possible.
I am not surprised even, the German people I met here Northern Germany , are so clique, why should you learn another language? If you only hang out with other Germans. I have declined two amazing job offers here, but I can't see myself staying here for another couple of years. That's right, I'd rather live in a country with a high unemployment rate and shitty economy than in high and mighty Germany. Funny thing is that the Germans I met in the US and Australia were really open and extraverted and totally not like the German people here.
Which was part of my motivation to study in Germany. Apparently all the 'good' Germans emigrate: Marissa more than 3 years ago. I'm very sorry that you've made such bad experiences with people laughing at your german proficiency - Actually, the dutch accent sounds charming to german ears. That might be dure to the fact that I, noticing how many of my fellow german students simply expected to be accomodated by the Dutch the Arnhem folk speak a very, very good german - but it's still the Netherlands, and not a german Colony , got into the habit of asking "Mag Ick Deuts met u praten?
The dutch seemed to be delighted with that very simple courtesy "A polite german! Quick, grab him - somebody get a camera! You could say that many germans "never fully relax their shoulders". What you are right about is the grammar - and here we germans do indeed have an advantage learning Dutch. The vocabulary is veryvery similar and the dutch grammar is closer to English, our first foreign language, whereas most dutch people study german as second language. It took me five minutes to realize the obvious, and when I got to his office and asked him HOW they had explained to him that he needed a translator, he told me with a small grin: Germans study english as first foreign language for either 6 or 8 years - but until very, very recently, they never really needed to practice it after school - a Canadian friend told me that germans are the best at apologizing for their inability to converse in English - speaking English.
For the most part that is them feeling awkward - since they know how rusty their english has become - but I don't doubt that some are also simply asshats.
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However, I cannot help but agreing on with my former alma mater in Arnhem: They simply didn't want to be taken advantage of. Especially when you work in the front office - you have to speak the language of the country you live in. Andreas more than 3 years ago. Ik vind het jammer dat er niet meer duitsers zijn die nederlands leren, het is echt veel makkelijker voor hen dan voor nederlanders.
Ik ben amerikaan en ik heb beide talen geleerd, hoewel ik moet zeggen dat ik tamelijk beter duits spreek. Ik vind het jammer dat europeanen niet meer vreemde talen leren, alle denken dat ze gewoon met iedereen in het engels kunnen praten. Het is altijd beter als je met mensen in hun moedertaal kunt communiceren! Overigens, ik hou van jullie land!
Nederland is echt leuk voor fietstochten: Jack more than 1 year ago. I have just moved to Austria, having learned 2 months of German from where I came from wasn't enough to prepare what I was about to experience here. The task of furnishing my apartment with half of my A1 level completed was much harder than I had thought. I have been hung up on the phone by customer service staff more times than I had in my entire customer-service-dealing in the past, because I don't speak enough German for them to understand my problem.
I even got a blatant from what I gathered due to the tone and a few words which were similar to English "this is Austria, if you want to speak English, go call some English-speaking countries. I bought the washing machine from their company, here, why should I call another country? In a city where it's full of expats working for International organizations, they certainly don't care enough for non-German speakers' business.
When I bought that washing machine, they didn't tell me I have to speak Deutsch before I could buy it; my money couldn't speak German, why did they take it then? Most locals here think I am one of those who've lived here long enough to know German or those who refuse to learn, but I wasn't. I was 2 weeks old now 4 months and still struggling , a lone female trying to furnish her apartment. I was told that Austrians learned English in school, but from what I gathered, their English is more rusty than my A1 level of German.
I continue to patron non-English speaking shops who are still most times rude to me, but take my business anyway. This is why most of my colleagues, have try to either buy goods from international companies who have some staff who speak English, no matter how basic, i. In the country where I came from, we're very accommodating to foreigners, and English is common spoken in shops, and signs everywhere. I didn't have any discrimination against Germans before coming here and even have German friends, but after experienced many very rude German customer service treatments, I am beginning to think "this is normal" for them.
But I am from a culture where people are polite and treat each other nicely. Maybe I should start treating German-speaking tourists who come to my country badly as revenge? I've been traveling for 10 years now and have spent the past two years as an American expat in Atyrau, Kazakhstan. It is an oil town so there are people from all over the world who work here temporarily. I feel this writer's frustration because it tends to be monolingual people from the English-speaking countries who make little effort to learn the language of where they live.
No one is expected to be perfectly proficient, but I think that everyone can make an effort. Diana Zhao more than 3 years ago. Only german speakers should live, all others should die Cara more than 3 years ago. Herp Derp more than 3 years ago. I'm wondering what would happen if, when on vocation abroad, Germans were treated the same way they treat foreigners in Germany.
The author is a native English speaker. She is talking about foreigners, particularly English-speaking expats, not assimilating to the host country's culture, let alone learning the language. It's not black or white. This immediately reminds me of how Spanish became an official language in the United States when it wasn't supposed to: Last time I checked, wasn't socialism a leftist ideology? The same leftists who force political correctness on us? Completely agree with you i also faced the same problem in language differentiation.
But then i followed http: You can also try it. Deepika Aman Jain more than 3 years ago. I am currently living in duisburg and I have to say I came here thinking it will be fine I can get a job I speak english They will understand me. No one speaks english or are to scared to make a mistake which is very fraustrating But then I thought hold on im in there country I should speak there language so joined a class straight away HOWEVER when applying and trying to find out about the course not one single person in the school could help me as they had no idea what I was saying as they didnt understand english.
Luckily for me I have a english speaking germen girlfriend who I had to call to come and translate for me. This got me thinking how hard it must be if you dont speak germen or english and what a barrier this must be and so intimadating for them no wonder people stick to there own language and for communitys.
How narrow minded can you get? That was a waste of my time reading this shit. Open your mind and maybe keep your stupid opinions to yourself. Ed Hoare more than 3 years ago. Welche Haltung erweist sich als mehr weltoffen? Diese oder die, die meint: Ditto more than 3 years ago. I'm in German only for 20 days now ,learning German German language is a kind of language that you feel you can't wait to master I feel Jealous when i hear german people speaking: MEMO more than 3 years ago.
Geeze, person, entitled much? While I agree that anyone living in a country should definitely try to learn the language and that there are entitled jerks out there who believe the rest of the world should cater to their laziness, there is nothing wrong with immigrant communities speaking their native language with each other.
In every country you will find communities like "Little China" or "Little India" in which they cater to their own culture and language. Many of the people in these areas speak little or nothing of any language but their native one. It's normal to want to hold on to your homeland as it's a huge part of who you are. If you don't like English restaurants and American food, then don't go to those restaurants. Also, did it occur to you that those restaurants are a perfect place for new immigrants to work while they ARE attempting to learn the local language?
Who else is going to hire them in a new country where they only speak their native language? Try and look at from the other person's shoes. Peramia more than 3 years ago. Can you tell me about more places where there's only English speaking staff? A friend of mine moved to Berlin and is starting to learn German but in the meanwhile she needs to find a job and I guess her best option would be to find a place where she could communicate in English.
Do you know any place around Bellevue or Tiergarten? Cesar Vicente more than 3 years ago. Jacinta Nandi more than 3 years ago. If you're planning on staying you really should. I was mortified when I recently went to a cafe that was all-english: I ended up translating most things for my friend. It upset me a lot. It feels like the people come to Berlin because it's a cool city and then they miss out on so much that makes this city unique. If you're not ready to integrate into a society, just leave, please.
Ik begrijp niet hoe is het mogelijk in Nederland te studeren zonder kennis van de taal. Ik ben Duitser en heb in Amsterdam gestudeerd. Maar dat was En vanzelfsprekend was dat alleen mogelijk omdat ik Nederlands kon spreken en verstaan. Schrijven was echter altijd wat moeilijker. I can't understand how it is possible to study in the Netherlands without knowing the language. I am German and I studied in Amsterdam. But that Was And that was only possible because I spoke and understood Dutch. Writing however was more difficult. Het is echt jammer dat vooral engelstalige maar ook duitstalige buitenlanders nauwelijks nederlands leren als ze naar Nederland verhuizen.
Ik woon helemaal niet in Nederland maar ik kan het tamelijk goed spreken omdat het voor duitstalige mensen echt niet zo moeilijk is. Zo veel luie mensen in de wereld Just look at how "well" Germans adapt to foreign languages abroad or at home. No need to criticize expats on speaking English. Thomas more than 3 years ago. But I agree with you to some extent. This is the destructive pragmatic tendency of the world: Germans are as bad as Anglo-Saxons if not worse, they promote a foreign language in their own country to the detriment of their own.
In Britain its the other way around: In Germany one thinks, one HAS to be ashamed of using the local language, or even apologise for using it with foreigners. Thank you very much sarcasm , people, for destroying, being ashamed or not promoting local languages! Daniel more than 3 years ago. Hier also mein Beitrag: Der Nordamerikaner darf sich seiner Landessprache bedienen … aber der Russe und der Franzose nicht.
Gabs nicht genauso eine starke Verbindung zu den Russen und Franzosen wie zu den Amis? Deutschland hasst Araber, Perser, Vietnamesen, Polen und Russen, wenn die zu Hause arabisch, persisch, vietnamesisch, polnisch, russisch sprechen … aber der Einmarsch des Englischen ist erlaubt??
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Wenn ja, dann muss und sollte mal ALLE Fremdkulturen sowie -sprachen gleich und nicht parteiisch behandelt werden. Und was es das Verstehen angeht: Die Sprache gilt doch als meist gelernte Drittsprache! Was es jetzt andere angeht, die nach Deutschland kommen: Senf more than 3 years ago. Ich bin mit allem, was du geschrieben hast, ganz einer Meinung. Niederlande, Frankreich, sogar Spanien!
Lustigerweise wurde ich aber in Ungarn trotz meiner elementaren Ungarischkenntnisse fast nie auf Englisch angesprochen. P Inzwischen ist mein Deutsch gut genug, dass mir in Deutschland nie auf Englisch geantwortet wird. Viele merken nicht mal, dass ich kein Deutscher bin. And yet these Americans, clinging stubbornly to the language of their birth, are probably have the same mindset as the folks in the USA who shout the loudest "Learn English" at immigrants gathering in the "Little Ethiopia", "Little Italy" or "Little Mexico" enclaves here in the States.
If you live in a country you should make some attempt to learn some level of fluency in that country's language. I've lived in 17 countries and have encountered the behaviour described here among ex-pats the word of choice for immigrants who happen to speak some English in all 17 of those countries. The funny part is that the most anglocentric ex-pats I've had the bad luck to encounter were usually not native English speakers, who somehow learned some English and felt the need to share their newfound discovery on the rest of the world.
Oddly enough, I find that most native English Speakers, like myself, many Americans, the odd Brit, and even some Aussies are often interested and keen on learning other languages. It's sad that these wannabe ex-pats need to speak English rather than their own language, or the language of their host country to feel better about themselves, and I feel embarrased for them. Ryan more than 4 years ago. I met a Russian at language meetup here in Germany who had lived here for over two years and still spoke no German!
She was apparently convinced she could just waltz on through her life in Germany and just speak English with everyone which she did. All I could do is facepalm And then these Expats get even more excited when they find out you're from an English-speaking country! They all clammer to practice their English with you.
My answer is always: I've noticed lots of middle-class Americans and W Europeans here speak none, or very little German. Yet the poor Turkish shop keepers speak their native tongue, fluent German, and a good bit of English on top. Its certainly no sin to not learn German if you really don't care.
But I think what rubs people the wrong way about it is the huge sense of entitlement some people have. Annie more than 4 years ago. What a way to handle a good topic in a such a poor and limited point of view, this is not an article its just bitching out loud, so bitch please, Travel a little bit more to see what your german buddies do overseas or get a piece of understanding about globalisation and celebrating our differences instead of hating them.
Peace girl, dont go so hard on the coffes. The article is called a rant for a reason, a rant specifies that this is subjective and usually emotionally driven which is exactly what you were complaining about, the whole thing being a rant. The point of this Rant is not to make fun of other cultures but point out how people with an English speaking background are living in Germany choosing not to learn German because they feel they should be entitled to speak English for whatever reason cause they won the war or some silly self empowering opinion. The point Julie is trying to make is that if they come over to Germany they should make some effort and learn the language instead of snobing everyone who cannot speak english, might aswell go to paris if i want to get snobbed.
Jonathan more than 4 years ago. It depends on your reasons. Loads of people move there to specifically work in the English language. You really can't blame the people. You need to blame the system. If the language is so important, make it required. As long as people have free will, why would they do something that they don't have to do? Derick more than 3 years ago. I have met Germans all over the world and they all speak the native language of the country they live in - they wouldnt last two days if they didnt. Some might have naively arrived in a country with just a few words but pretty soon they go to classes etc.
Germans on holidays is a different matter. I dont understand why people get so arrogant and bitchy about this - it is common sense, you would not last long in France without French. Yes, have menus in English too as a courtesy to tourists but not only. The arrogance and indifference is sad. At the end of the day theyre the ones who are missing out!
Imagine spending a few years in Brazil and all youve seen is the inside of an Irish bar where everyone speaks English, a few scrappy conversations with Brazilians and yay I know ALL about Brazilian culture and what its like to live there, ha ha! It is, as someone else said, a question of the attitude. Betty more than 3 years ago. These debates over learning languages of host countries, always, inevitably, go back to the same negative crap of bashing English speakers for their supposed 'careless', 'arrogant', 'we don't care' attitudes toward foreign languages.
What an old and inaccurate refrain. FIRST, it's based on a dated and inaccurate assumption that English speakers and dare I suggest that us Americans usually are singled out? My other American friend from a small town speaks Spanish fluently and some French. My other friend, Spanish fluently and advanced Swedish. Has my point been made? Stale, inaccurate stereotypes are more annoying than someone not speaking a language. English is the international language of science, business, academia, etc. I, as a native English speaker, will take this moment to apologize greatly to you for this terrible reality.
I did not make it so. Nor did any of the other millions of native English speakers around the world. History made it so. However World, while I sympathize with you having to learn my terrible, awful language because I really do understand that you have to put a lot of time into it, and I really do sympathize , I can't be hated any longer for choosing to speak my native tongue when most of the world requires it, and the rest is always asking me to teach it. When Arabic or Chinese or Elvin becomes the world's global language, I will have my punishment. A more than 4 years ago. My Dutch boyfriend has told me that the Germans hate to hear their language 'mangled' and so has asked me not to try and speak any German while we are here.
He is fluent in German, Dutch and English. I was very upset and embarrassed as I have worked really hard trying to learn the language as I love learning. Today we were in a restaurant where the owner was keen to use his English so he and I talked and I answered a few of his questions about vocabulary and pronunciation only to be told by my boyfriend that I probably confused him!
I can already speak French, and even though he admits he cannot speak it he still corrects my accent. Am I going mad? Is he being helpful or a control freak? Frances Taylor more than 4 years ago. He's the one being the completely dickhead here. Not the German people. And it's probably indicative of how he behaves in other situations. Walter Crasshole more than 4 years ago. Do you fail to take the effort to comprehend what you read or are you one of those overly sensitive tumblr types who flies into an incoherent rage the moment you notice something with even the slightest potential to offend?
I more than 4 years ago. I merely told her to dump her boyfriend. She's the one who laid her problems on the table. I don't get the bit about comprehension and saying I'm flying into an incoherent rage. For me, it' exactly the other way round. I really love to hear people try to speak German, especially a an American friend of my always makes me smile while trying.
And I really appreciate if somebody tries to talk to me in my native language German: Plus I would never expect to have flawless conversations with expats, travellers or friends that I have. Most of the people of other countries I met in Germany so far mainly Americans, English tried at least to impress me with some few words German - and that's cute!
Actually I agree with most of A's points. Lately, I tried to learn some few words in Swedish, sma grodona ;-. Well, I guess I'm just gathering few words of any country I visit. He wants to keep you away from speaking to German men Germans are happy if you speak some German, because most foreigners don't even try.
Answer more than 3 years ago. It sounds like your Bf is jeolous People appreciate it when you put forth effort to speak their language, trust me. I'm an American, who is learning German and French for the simple joy of wanting to communicate with people in their first languages as well as read great literature in their original languages.
That snotty comment from the American musician is unbelievable. I can't believe, in this day and age, that ignorance and arrogance are worn like a medal. I refuse to travel to a country I don't have at least a survivalist grasp of the language. I feel that it is disrespectful of the culture you're visiting to not even try to speak the language. But these are expats! Jessica Rivera more than 4 years ago. I'm a student in England, I am british and monolingual despite my father and grandparents being German my dad didn't teach me or my 3 other siblings any German, he still gets ribbed for it.
What I would say is that I intend on living in Germany for 3 months, but not one bit do I plan on relying on my English. If you're upset about your expensive schooling in America, that's because America still hasn't understood that higher taxes means healthcare and education, your fault buddy, not Europe's. I am proud to have a large German family and feel very embarrassed when they go out of their way to speak English to me, so I have decided to change that and move to Germany and pick up the language as quickly as possible.
Alex Muller more than 4 years ago. It's not something to be proud of, and I've always experienced that when it comes to speaking lots of languages, English-speakers are the worst, 'cause they only speak one. You will never be part of a country if you don't learn its ways. It's not a matter of schooling, it's just trying, practicing, studying As a rule those children may also have the citizenship of the parents' home country. Those between 18 and 23 years of age must choose to keep either German citizenship or their ancestral citizenship. The governments of the German States have begun campaigns to persuade immigrants to acquire German citizenship.
Those who hold German citizenship have a number of advantages. For example, only those holding German citizenship may vote in certain elections. Also there are some jobs that may only be performed by German citizens. As a rule these are jobs which require a high identification with the government. Only those holding German citizenship are be allowed to become a schoolteacher, a police officer, or a soldier. Most jobs however do not require German citizenship. Those who do not hold German citizenship, but instead just a "right to reside", however, still receive many of the benefits. They may attend schools, receive medical insurance , be paid children's benefits, receive welfare and housing assistance.
While many Spanish that came to Germany were illiterate peasants, their offspring were academically successful see: Academic achievement among different groups in Germany and do well in the job market. Spanish Gastarbeiter werealso very likely to marry Germans, which could be considered an indicator of assimilation. According to a study in , There were some, and still are, tensions in German society, because Muslim immigrants feel they have been religiously discriminated against. For example, while the Christian churches are allowed to collect church tax in Germany, Muslim mosques are not able to do so as they are not as yet organised in a corporative association which is sometimes criticised as forcing Christian organisation-style on non-Christians.
While German universities have educated Jewish , Catholic and Protestant clerics and religious teachers, in the past none of the German universities have offered education for Muslim teachers and clerics. However, today such university courses exist. Muslims were often also not pleased that the Christian cross is a common item to be found in German classrooms, something that used to be relatively common.
The fact that most schools offer Catholic and Protestant religious education and ethics but no Islamic religious education has also been criticised especially because religious education is compulsory, replaceable by ethics. Students are allowed to wear a normal headscarf in school, however in a Muslim student sued a Gymnasium headmaster, because she was not allowed to wear a Khimar in school.
After the division of Germany into East and West in , East Germany faced an acute labour shortage, mainly because of East Germans fleeing into the western zones occupied by the Allies; in the GDR German Democratic Republic signed its first guest-worker contract with Poland. In contrast to the guest-workers in West Germany, the guest-workers that arrived in East Germany came mainly from socialist and communist countries allied with the Soviets and the SED used its guest-worker program to build international solidarity among fellow communist governments. Residency was typically limited to only 3 years.
The conditions East German Gastarbeiter had to live in were much harsher than the living-conditions of the Gastarbeiter in Western Germany, these mainly being single-sex dormitories. If they did, they were forced to have an abortion. Following the fall of the Berlin Wall and German reunification in , the population of guest-workers still remaining in the former East Germany faced deportation, premature discontinuation of residence and work permits as well as open discrimination in the workplace.
Many started selling goods at the roadside. Ten years after the fall of the Berlin wall most Vietnamese were granted the right to reside however and many started opening little shops. The country of Vietnam did not accept the ones back who refused to take the money, Germany considered them "illegal immigrants" after By 11, former Vietnamese guest workers had been repatriated, of which 8, against their will. The children of the Vietnamese Gastarbeiter caused what has been called the "Vietnamese miracle". Today, the term Gastarbeiter is no longer accurate, as the former guest worker communities, insofar as they have not returned to their countries of origins, have become permanent residents or citizens, and therefore are in no meaningful sense "guests".
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A new word has been used by politicians for several years: Menschen mit Migrationshintergrund German term for: The term was thought to be politically correct because it includes both immigrants and those who, being naturalized, cannot be referred to as immigrants—who are colloquially and not by necessity xenophobically called "naturalized immigrants" or "immigrants with a German passport". It also applies to German-born descendants of people who immigrated after To emphasize their Germanness, they are also with quite a frequency called fellowcitizens , which may result in calling "our Turkish fellow citizens" also those who are foreigners still, or even such Turks in Turkey who never had any contact to Germany.
Gastarbeiter, as a historical term however, referring to the guest worker programme and situation of the s, is neutral and remains the most correct designation. In literary theory, some German migrant writers e. Rafik Schami use the terminology of "guest" and "host" provocatively. The term "Gastarbeiter" lives on in Serbian, Bosnian, Croatian, Bulgarian, Macedonian, and Slovene languages, generally meaning "expatriate" mostly referring to a second generation from the former Yugoslavia or Bulgaria born or living abroad.
The South Slavic spelling reflects the local pronunciation of gastarbajter in Cyrillic: These workers come primarily from Ukraine , Moldova , Armenia , and Tajikistan. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. This article may be expanded with text translated from the corresponding article in German. September Click [show] for important translation instructions. View a machine-translated version of the German article. Google's machine translation is a useful starting point for translations, but translators must revise errors as necessary and confirm that the translation is accurate, rather than simply copy-pasting machine-translated text into the English Wikipedia.
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